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Old 02-04-2010, 10:03 AM
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Default One Man's Experience: Which Software Pays Back Better?

The answer to that is somewhat complicated in that although I feel MGS has the best pay back, that I don't feel that MGS has as good a pay back as they once did.

That said, I definitely feel that RTG is lacking, however they are better than Rival even though I felt that Rival probably paid back better. Rival just had such small jackpots (that I hit) that I never really got that thrill of jumping out ahead of the game .. so to speak ... to any large degree. So I never felt comfortable the way you do right after you've hit a decent sized jackpot and you can let loose and bet at higher stakes than you can really afford. Which if you're really lucky is when you'll hit a big win, while playing at higher stakes than you're norm.

I have played some at a vegas tech powered casino thru tony's links, but I haven't played them a whole lot because i'm waiting on him to confirm the sign up. No sense spending a bunch of money at a casino where the sign up didn't even show.

I will try to remember to update this thread after playing some more because being only one person I am prone to streaks of good and bad, and perhaps in 6 months I will be claiming that RTG pays back better than MGS.

But I doubt it.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:20 AM
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I have been very disappointed with Micro's for over a year now, I have played at many micros in the past 8 years and always had decent luck, may not of cashed out enough but i always would have some good hits during the hour or two that i played, but this past year if hitting a decent winning combination was "shit" i wouldn't get a whiff! [taken from the movie Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man, which i just loved..].

RTG i love the Random Jackpot games, even though i have never hit one but everyone else i know has..?? I have never won enough to cash out at an RTG, Rival.

Vegas Tech games i have great luck at but haven't played at them in a couple of years, so maybe i should give them a try...steve do you promote any?

I miss Playtech, i had good luck back in the day with them also, and i wish i could play some wager logic casinos, there games look awesome, and something new is probably just what the doctor ordered.
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Old 02-06-2010, 02:51 AM
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Good topic!

Micro is still my fav. I don't play to many of the bonus slots but I have hit about 5 jackpots over the last year ata few different casino.

Got lucky at iNetBet in December and hit a randon jackpot for 5k.


As for Rivals, I just started playing at a few. I did get lucky my first time out and was able to cash $500 of a $50 deposit but not much sinse then.

Haven't played a t any Vegas Tech casinos but players seen to be happy with them.

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Old 02-06-2010, 01:29 PM
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Thanks for coming in Joe and my female BFF .

Yes My Dear, I have plenty of Vegas Techs on my site, www.bondedcasinos.com .. not so sure of other sites because I'm still trying to decide if I want them listed.

For instance right now I have just short of enough to qualify for a wire transfer ($500), but that is a carry-over from last month, which was a carry-over from previous.

Then before that i got a 4 digit payment (as memory serves). Very up and down. Which is okay, that shows play. But when I stay within the area of "don't get paid man's land" for any consecutive months, I begin to wonder if they're worth listing / treating me fairly.

We have a colorful past history, as I have started and stopped promoting CCoins properties several times over the last decade, always finally deciding they weren't worth keeping listed.

I thought we were past that but now 2 months in a row of landing within the dead zone and you have to say to yourself should i let them stay?

Remember to be fair to those whom make you the majority of your money, that all properties which enjoy the same / similar exposure ... that they should be in a close race for who is earning you more (over the long haul - view roughly 6 months consecutive and they should be close or perhaps one is making more one month, while the next month the other sponsor is your leading money maker, that sort of "it all evens out" sort of thing is what you should be seeing ...

Of course there will be some that earn more than others because they are so much better at retention / you just got lucky and landed a few whales who are drinking at the same spring, ... but even that will over a period of months begin to discern itself so that you can learn to recognize it and thus be able to calculate the information in a manner which is beneficial to your cause.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:44 PM
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I should add that I've continued play at RTGs and still want for the big win.

I've had some smaller wins, for instance if 3 (max bet) 7s are a jackpot, and the next best thing is 3 (max bet) wild cherry symbols, then I have had a few of the wild cherry situations.

But for instance say the jackpot is paying $5000, then the wild cherry symbols would be paying at about $600,

and I feel I should have wondered upon at least one really big win since i started checking out the RTGs to extensive lengths these past 40 or 50 days.

There are SO many variables that there's no sense going into what could have caused this but just as WYSIWYG ... which for me being from Missouri (right on the KS/MO border) ... and it being the show me state, that carries a lot of weight with my thinking.
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I only played at MG and after a couple of cashouts on jan 2nd and 4th I can't even win a dime.

I have complained to support numerous times and they toss me a couple of hundred in bonus $ to keep my account open and I can't even win off that.

I think MG changed the games with that upgrade although support denies it or there are some triggers.

I notice that the first spin of any game seems to do well but then it dies after that, it's as almost they're checking my ip and serving up some bogus RNG combinations.

I'm pretty much gun shy at this point to make any deposits.

Is it just me or it seems just after making a withdrawal, its really hard to win anything again? I've blown back a $3k withdrawal without even a bonus round till I get to the last $100 of course.
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Old 02-06-2010, 05:44 PM
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There do happen some strange coincidence not just with MGS, but I see it more in the RTGs.

They're almost elementary in their approach IF ... and I say a big IF, ... they are really corrupt.

I don't think that they are, but I base that mainly on the thinking that IF they were effecting the RNG that they'd be much smarter about it.

Much of my experiences have been similar to what James brought up, about how after doing a cashout you don't win for a while.

In the case of MGS, I got so that I wouldn't do a cash out until I was ready to back off for a while because just as Jim noted (that's not something i would have said out loud but now that its been brought up ... yes, it seems that way!) that after a cash out the games seem to go cold.

I'm so back and forth on this, because logic screams why would you seek to cheat an industry that sets the margin for profit .. in such a cemented demeanor. It would be stupid to not take what is given freely and be happy to get that on a regular basis because as any smart bookie will tell you, if you shave them then they can be done over many times throughout their lifetime, but you can hit them over the head (kill 'em) and take all their money .. only once.


Now having said that, I have been amazed at the lack of either respect, or perhaps just done out of desperation and ignorance ... the amount of cheating that is done to affs and more to the point, the lack of complexity in their approaches.

I mean, seriously now, some of the programs wouldn't show my own sign up ... which lent towards incompetence more than thinking they were thieves ... at first. Now after 10 years in the industry ... I'd say look for the money first, and whoever is benefiting is likely the criminal behind the situation.

glitches do exist, but I think there is more corruption than there is incompetence involved in our industry.
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I truly believe that they have some type of control over a players "luck" because for years now, if i win a good amount, and cashout....but then a few hours later or a day later i decide to reverse some of it.....every single time i have done that every game i played was frozen solid....if it was shit i wouldn't get a whiff. Nothing, nada...period game over.

I could [and have] lose every single penny back, EVERY time i reverse a cash in....so to me, they see this and help you l ose back what you won, with no hard feelings...
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