I'm going to email you on the email in your profile.. if that's not right, please send me over one that works
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The one in my profile should work - I will be on the look out.

Thanks,

Brian

so do you really think the progam is punishing you for your actions? That thought has crossed my mind.

I've often refrained from posting mho just so I don't piss a program or AM off and have them do something.

Renee, perhaps retentions could get 1 or 2 of my 378 players going, 112 which are non-usa. Hard to believe that none of them have the gambling fever, unless they're playing somewhere else now. I am picking up more non-usa players lately but they're all broke.

hey maybe I'm being punished to.

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YES - I believe "some" managers find my "in your face - call it like I see it" posting style a bit repulsive. At the same time I have had several contact me and state they respect and appreciate my passion.

I know some who do the exact opposite - they try to sugar coat everything using the philosophy you'll catch more bees with honey - and thats fine, I have no problem with that. At the same time I say BAH - I'm not into fluff, if I don't agree with something I'm not going to beat around the bush to say so. Maybe thats cost me over the years - least I can still sleep at night knowing I haven't kissed any ass that wasn't deserving of a smooch.

just a note for perspective.

I have literally pages and pages of players signed at Brightshare (they show all players both currently playing and old which my old rev share model at CR doesn't show me how many old players I have signed but I know its fair to say the numbers should be close to those at brightshare) where I have about 2 or 3 active players currently. sigh.

admittedly most of mine are US players but point I thought was relevant is that I have way more than a few hundred players signed and nearly nothing to show for it (which I wish was different of course).

That said, I remember when Arkyt's situation evolved because I feared I was the one who accidently gave away his endeavors when i made a public post at gpwa which I then took down about 15 minutes later when I realized what i had done. (about his testing - I guess. I don't really remember what I had wrote only that it might have compromised his situation.

Of course i made this known to Ark because I knew of his concerns and wanted him to have that information so he could use it for his investigation of what happened.

Thats as far as I know about the matter, but wanted to offer it (again) in hopes of helping clear up this matter.

The oddest thing about the whole thing is that aside Jim coming forth now, I don't recall anybody else ever bringing up the idea which if there had been more and more accusations about such practice then it would have added credibility to Ark's, but they just never were born to my knowledge.

...............

one other thing, which didn't work to Ark's side of the argument which i have mentioned in the distant past, but perhaps not directly to Arkyt which is that when i first started with CR, (and Brent may remember this) I contacted him and said dude, I have sent you over 3000 clicks and have never seen anybody's signature from CR (back then it was common to get paid via a check). And yes, that was extremely over the numbers of any other place I was promoting back then.

Anyway Brent wrote me back that he was sorry but didn't know what to tell me other than some places just don't convert for some people.

but here's the twist: It wasn't long after that .... when I began to make money and have ever since.

You would be inclined to at least wonder that if they were effecting the stats, since I complained, that i would also not have been received in a friendly manner. Yet it was exact opposite for me.

............


That said, I have no doubt Ark's stats are not pleasing or he'd be touting CR's praises so I don't have an answer for matter, just adding my experience which I realize is only one other persons, but in these matters there is usually a pattern which can be seen if enough people chime in. Though this was some time ago, and admittedly I have over the years seen the occasion where somebody complained they didn't like the new wagershare model, I have not seen any further accusations of cheating in such a manner as what Ark has experienced.

And as abrasive as Ark can be when on rant, I have seen much worse (far less civilized, even by myself though not to CR) but I also haven't seen others who have had an issue with CR step forward and say that all their action within the casino had suddenly stopped after they had made their public complaint, or anything similar.

Has anybody else?

I can't win here, I respect both parties, and if anything I'll probably piss off both sides before I ever please both, so at least give me credit for laying it out there as I see it, and as I have noted it over the years because believe me when Ark said his account stopped, it got my attention enough to watch for any further such matters to rise. To my experience, I have not seen it come up again.

I think that's fair, and that even Ark will agree that it hasn't been brought up again by any other affs (at least not publicly and I know not ever to me privately).

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I would like to add that I have given this situation a lot of attention over the years (in that I have kept my eyes open for similar accusations) in hopes of coming to a conclusion which would satisfy my own concerns if nothing else, and I still don't have one.

It seems to me that if anything, it would have concluded with CR finding a glitch in the matter and making it up to Ark, because i just have not seen any evidence to prove that CR is the kind to hold grudges, ie, that a person who made a complaint then came back later to say things had become much worse, that instead of not making enough (the usual complaint for any program I would imagine), that they were now making nothing.

But it is just as odd that no other accusations were ever to surface of same behavior, that Ark would have seen his income drop from a regular 4 figures (isn't that a close estimate ark?) ... to nothing all at once and then never recover. Thus my thinking they'd spot a glitch and ...

This remains a mystery I would love to know the answer.

I wish this matter were to bed because its one of the few that has left me in the dark, now going on for years and I am no closer to an acceptable conclusion than I was the day it was first made public and you can see why.

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sorry to keep answering my own posts.

it occurred to me that some good could come of all this for everyone.

Renee, do you know, has a campaign ever been done which was to contact the old players (from US) to tell them that they are still welcome in the casinos ... just in case that for instance in Ark's case, if he wrote an article about the pullout of MGS, perhaps existing players took that to mean they couldn't go back and play any more either. In other words, perhaps they were scared off and nobody ever made it clear to them otherwise.

Just a thought.

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Yes I was averaging around 4 figures at the time then BAM it went to 0 over night and stayed there for 3-4 months then I started to remove links fearing that the reason it took a nose dive was because of the testing - what else was I to think?

And as I have told you before - I don't believe your post did much to hurt the situation - I think one of the other testers (you know who) blew it up when they went to Brent and told them what I was doing.

Renee has run a preliminary investigation into some of my bigger players, and stated a lot of them were/are from banned states. Course as I told her - back when this happened there was no legislation in place and there were no banned states.

I told her I was adding back a few links - I really want to give them and myself another chance. If things turn around I'll keep the links up - if they dont I'll remove them. Course I'm going to have to see a lot better than a 1/4 of 1% conversion ratio.

Personally I think it depends on the person. I am definitely the type who tells it like it is and doesn't sugar coat where possible, however I don't think there are a lot of people out there who can handle as full on as that may be sometimes... some people have a stroke if you don't sugar coat stuff..

I would much prefer someone able to talk to me like that.. but you gotta remember that if you can give it, you have to be able to take it too.. and I'm not saying that you in particular can't, but a lot of people shoot their mouth off expecting that the other person will come back trying to kiss their ass.. sometimes you just have to prepare that the opposite will happen and sometimes expect it.

I'm still trying to figure out which month this is? We did talk about your biggest player where I can see the last month they played was the month before your earnings went down a huge amount.. so that was due to the biggest player not playing anymore, not to any players being removed...

I thought I saw another email from you, so I'll go back and check the last couple of days..

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Someone was telling me the other day I should take an easy on you, but I told them we were two peas in a pod - too much alike HAH!

I believe the testing was done in mid 2004 and links started to come down from my main pages in late part of 2004. Looking back at my spreadsheets it appears things didnt drop all the way to zero - hell in retrospect I probably screwed myself by being so hard-headed. Things didnt really drop until I had removed nearly all links.

Calgon take me away!